2014-02-13
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- 2014-11-14Retired breederAnonymousPeon wrote:
so Zombie do love debating EVERYTHING with everyone, or is it just me?
It's just you ^_^;
You and some other people who feel the same way. But I'm not here to please everyone.
I quite love debating when done in a respectful way. But if the fact that most people always have something negative to say against Owlient and I have a better, more positive light to shine on situations means "everything" then sure if you like to see it that way. Because 20 people want to believe in the worst of things and I want to believe in better possibilities and better outcomes [whether they happen or not] is not something you'll find me ashamed of.
Howrse is open still because they're doing something right, not wrong. And not every decision they make needs the negativity people give. A lot of you seriously only ever look at the bad of these updates. There are good things.
And I don't want to agree and join everyone else against Owlient when I know better than that. You complain about them money-hoarding but they don't have enough money to run any site but this. They have tried other ventures and failed. They have closed a site they had open for 5 years because there was not enough money. On top of needing money to support the site itself, they need money to pay their employees.
I work at a fast food place for about $400 a month for under 18 hours a week. If Owlient paid me and my employees [lets say, 6 admins, no other job is guaranteed but I'm guessing at least 2 programmers, 2 artists, some other people I'm sure we won't count them so that's 10] they would have to offer up $4,000 a month just for those ten people to get paid a -barely- livable wage. Not to mention Owlient has headquartered somewhere and must pay whatever building fees are associated with that. On top of the site.
Now I did some research and found at least 32 people employed at Owlient. So $400 a month for them $12,800
So even if Owlient is a part-time job with minimal pay these are high expenses and all the money comes from this site and its servers.
So if people want to fail to realize that these changes and updates are what keep you being able to play this game then that's them. But I much rather be the 1 positive post a new person can read than join the many in their negativity of things they just refuse to understand. - 2014-11-14Retired breeder
- 2014-11-14Not happy or impressed with the proposals
- I can see why some are but the reality will hit home once they pay a premium (as i assume this pack that is spoken of will cost more than one pass a coat) and can't resell the coat on for profit. I'm sure there will be a few tantrums then...
Meanwhile If it becomes a reality most 'collectors', who collect for the coats not trophies/to flip and so forth, will simply quit collecting...and more importantly spending money on the game.
Remember 'they' are the players who pay huge amounts (passes and equus) for coats, the trophy collectors and flippers and so forth generally pay peanuts.
Without the 'collectors' there will be no market for retired coats...just as their isn't on many of the country specific servers, where 100 use coats are still avialable months/years after release.
Just my initial thoughts on the proposal of course. - 2014-11-14Zombie , with the wages I see where you are coming from . $12,400 dollars ( wich would be Euros as they are in France working out at €9983.50) but let's remeber when we log in it says 10.4 million people play this game ( I think that's all servers) so they are definatally earning over the odds anyway. Can't be too hard to earn €9983 every month .... I'm sure far more than 9000/10.4 mil buy passes...
Retired breeder wrote:
Yes Howrse needs to be able to make a profit and needs to be able to stay in business but you don't do it by trampling over your loyal players by hurting their game- you introduce new things to the game to bring that profit. Otherwise the ones who were loyal pass buyers may turn away.
I can't agree more. Why get rid of old reliable ( I'm not saying you're old - please don't take me the wrong way
) for someone you don't know will do it? It's not logical. You have someone who does what you want them to do why drive them away for new people that you don't know will do what the old players did?
Gah ... This forum ... This is why I keep trying to not comment .. I feel like them deep sea fish when I'm in here
- 2014-11-14Retired breederOw wrote:Thanks for the reminder, Ow. Though, I really don't agree with the new changes, it is important to respect everyone here.
I generally don't put my nose in here because it's a speculation topic, but I'm afraid that seeing the behaviour and lack of restraint i am going to give you a single warning. If you are not able to show some self control and remain polite this topic will be closed. Please be mindful of other players, express yourself with respect (yes that also includes towards Owlient) and refrain from using curses because they don't add value to your arguments, however pertinent those arguments may be. Thank you - 2014-11-14Retired breeder wrote:
Yes Howrse needs to be able to make a profit and needs to be able to stay in business but you don't do it by trampling over your loyal players by hurting their game- you introduce new things to the game to bring that profit. Otherwise the ones who were loyal pass buyers may turn away.
- 2014-11-14Click to displaySo...Howrse is going to sell retired coats...that a non-Howrse-Employee made and put in the game for a reason? What if that limited coat was made with someone elses lineart from Deviantart (yes it happens just check creation space voting) and that artist may not be too pleased to see his/hers now retired lineart coat that was submitted being sold for real money by the site. Wont this thing give Howrse issues? I dont think the artist who orginally made the lineart would ever agree of the linearts being used on Howrse if they knew this change maybe would be added.
Not to mention the pride of owning a few cophys left GAs will be smashed to pieces.
Am I the onl thing this idea is extremly fishy?
- 2014-11-14Retired breeder wrote:
So if people want to fail to realize that these changes and updates are what keep you being able to play this game then that's them. But I much rather be the 1 positive post a new person can read than join the many in their negativity of things they just refuse to understand.
Well written.
I am so glad I am not a collector.
But I wrote a long post on Economics 101 in another area and this is just as valid. Companies will bring out new items, discontinue others to keep that company at the forefront of competing companies and if they don't they become stale. They also become ripe for takeovers.
Takeover companies RARELY consider customers ( players) loyal or not and what is left is often shoveled into the garbage.


) for someone you don't know will do it? It's not logical. You have someone who does what you want them to do why drive them away for new people that you don't know will do what the old players did?

