2020-07-28
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  • Also, removing horns/wings/BMI is not "mutilating" a *pixel* horse on this *game.* And implying that, which is basically trying to make anybody who completes these objectives feel guilty/bad about themselves, especially younger/more impressionable players, is honestly pretty messed up. default smiley (o)
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  • 2020-10-30
    Retired breeder
    .: Dяєαм :. wrote:

    I never had a problem with the remove a pegasus' wings objective...I normally chose to simply sell a pegasus, since you can normally get twice as many passes by doing that as opposed to completing your objective, but still.

    I'm glad it's removed, though, *only* because it shows that Howrse *does* listen to players, since so many players have consistently complained about it over the past year or so.

    I'm a little annoyed by the many, many requests throughout this thread to remove literally any other even remotely difficult objective, though...the objectives aren't meant to be easy/always completable...what would be the point, then? They may as well simply give you a button to click that automatically gives you 30 passes every day. The majority of the objectives aren't too terribly expensive/time-consuming, especially once you become more established. Sometimes it's cheaper/easier to skip the objective/lose the HOP streak, yes. Sometimes you may not have a choice, especially if you're newer or you don't have a lot of money/horses/large BMI stash. But it's not the end of the world.

    A better option would be to add a feature where you can skip your objective by paying Equus or exchanging a BMI, like you can in the Great Challenge. Somebody suggested this in the ideas topic in the VIP forum recently and I really liked it.


    I didn't really mind the removal of body parts objectives; it was just the rosette one.
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  • 2020-10-30
    Retired breeder
    .: Dяєαм :. wrote:

    Also, removing horns/wings/BMI is not "mutilating" a *pixel* horse on this *game.* And implying that, which is basically trying to make anybody who completes these objectives feel guilty/bad about themselves, especially younger/more impressionable players, is honestly pretty messed up. default smiley (o)


    I never saw it that way, and I'm 16.
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  • 2020-10-30
    .: Dяєαм :. wrote:

    I never had a problem with the remove a pegasus' wings objective...I normally chose to simply sell a pegasus, since you can normally get twice as many passes by doing that as opposed to completing your objective, but still.

    I'm glad it's removed, though, *only* because it shows that Howrse *does* listen to players, since so many players have consistently complained about it over the past year or so.

    I'm a little annoyed by the many, many requests throughout this thread to remove literally any other even remotely difficult objective, though...the objectives aren't meant to be easy/always completable...what would be the point, then? They may as well simply give you a button to click that automatically gives you 30 passes every day. The majority of the objectives aren't too terribly expensive/time-consuming, especially once you become more established. Sometimes it's cheaper/easier to skip the objective/lose the HOP streak, yes. Sometimes you may not have a choice, especially if you're newer or you don't have a lot of money/horses/large BMI stash. But it's not the end of the world.

    A better option would be to add a feature where you can skip your objective by paying Equus or exchanging a BMI, like you can in the Great Challenge. Somebody suggested this in the ideas topic in the VIP forum recently and I really liked it.


    One of the issues with the not-completeable objectives (at least from my perspective, as a player who's been here a *really long time*) is that the objectives are replacing a system that used to be more time consuming, but that allowed players to earn significantly more passes and didn't require black market items, high-GP horses, breeding horses that aren't of interest, or even purchasing anything at all if you were really dedicated.

    Because back in the old days, there were pass horses. Nowadays, your old horses go to Yggdrasil, and when you've sent enough of them, you get some paltry reward. Way back when, if a horse died over the age of 30, you got 100 passes (well, 1 pass, but the "old" passes were converted to 100 "new" passes, and it was a whole thing). The first 10 horses to die over 30 in a month would each award you 100 passes, for a total of 1000 passes. You could also purchase 100 passes once a month using equus (scaled according to how much you had on hand, so equally accessible to everyone). It took some time and planning if you didn't want to buy your pass horses, but it was doable, didn't require anything special, and didn't even require logging in every day. And if you were really dedicated, you could potentially earn another 2000 passes (each horse after the first 10 gave either a pass or a black market item). So, you could earn up to 3100 passes in one month, if you were really dedicated.

    With the new system, in a 31-day month, you can earn up to 930 passes and 4 HOPs *if* you log in and complete the objectives every day. The trade off, of course, is that the current objectives *are* significantly less time-consuming than pass horses, so I'll give them that. Overall I don't dislike the system, because it allows me to spend a lot less time farming for passes. But some days when you get one of those objectives that you can't complete, or refuse to complete, or if you just can't log in for a few days, it's just... irritating to know that these things weren't obstacles that needed to be faced in the pass horse days.
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  • Oh, the objective was removed. Yay!

    I remember back in the days when people tested the new pass-system on test-server (me included) a lot of people pointed out that objectives that required you to remove items that are bought for passes shouldn`t be objectives at all (mostly because this system was made so even those who don`t have a lot of time for Howrse/new players/ and so on could get passes),it really doesn't make sense to get a Medusas Blood,put it on the horse and then remove it. Even if you have 50 of those things, those items are valuable and could be used in better ways than being destroyed. And yet here we are....

    Ah well, better late than never XD
    I miss the old pass-mining sprees. It was the highlight of the month. If this system was just an alternative way to get passes then it would be fine but... it replaced the old one, and I don`t believe for a second it was made to make it "easier for people".

    New players and everyone else was ripped off. Period.
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  • 2020-10-30
    should also add on to that: even farther back, it was the first *30* horses that gave passes, not the first 10 followed by maybe passes maybe an item. So over the years, Howrse has been slowly decreasing the number of passes that can be earned for free, while steadily increasing the number of pushes to use/buy passes with constant events and new divines/collectables, new black market items, deals every weekend, etc. etc. and it just rankles a bit when you put not-completable tasks on top of it all.
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  • Entaria wrote:

    is that the objectives are replacing a system that used to be more time consuming, but that allowed players to earn significantly more passes and didn't require black market items, high-GP horses, breeding horses that aren't of interest, or even purchasing anything at all if you were really dedicated


    Shishi no Seirei wrote:

    I miss the old pass-mining sprees. It was the highlight of the month. If this system was just an alternative way to get passes then it would be fine but... it replaced the old one, and I don`t believe for a second it was made to make it "easier for people".


    In reply to both of you, and before anybody else jumps on this train, I've been playing for well over ten years, despite my lower seniority on my current account, and I remember and miss pass horses. I've always hated Yggdrasil/the new objectives system, since the day they were introduced. I never defended them, or said that they were a better option, or even a comparable replacement, since yes, everybody got ripped off, since we went from being able to earn up to 30 old passes/3,000 new passes monthly to barely earning 900 passes monthly, yet this was presented to everybody as an "improvement."

    None of this changes any of what I said nor is it really relevant to my original comment.

    I love easy, completely free objectives just as much as the next person, and it's certainly very nice when I get several days of easy breezy objectives that I don't have to put much thought/time/effort into, and I definitely get annoyed when I get a particularly difficult objective, or make the decision to skip an objective because it's too expensive/too time consuming/I don't feel like doing it.

    But if every single objective is super easy, barely takes any time, doesn't actually require you to do much of anything, never requires you to have a specific horse or a specific item, what's the point? That's just boring. They may as well just automatically magically give you the thirty passes upon your first login of the day at that point.

    I strongly believe that you should have to work for the things that you want/need, and that good things come with time. If a new player with absolutely nothing on their account could play at the same level as a player who's been on the game since the very beginning, *that* would be unfair. And nothing should just be handed to you. If you want passes, you can either spend your money that you presumably worked to earn in real life to buy them, or you can work in-game for them, whether it be the old system of tediously aging up horses every month, or the new system of completing two tasks every day.

    Shishi no Seirei wrote:

    New players and everyone else was ripped off. Period.


    I agree with this, 100%. But, still, that doesn't change anything. I highly, highly doubt that Howrse is suddenly going to reinstate pass horses and remove Yggdrasil/the objectives. I certainly wish they would but that doesn't matter.

    All I was saying in my original comment is that if you take away all the even remotely difficult/expensive/unlikable objectives they'd be completely boring/pointless.
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  • It's honestly not that hard to complete the majority of your objectives, especially once you've been playing for more than a few months. Save your money, plan ahead, hoard certain horses/certain BMI, and make the decision to skip an objective/lose your streak towards a HOP that could very well contain absolutely nothing of value when you feel the objective's too expensive/time-consuming. I'm a very casual/occasional player who's never bought a single pass and I don't remember the last time I got an objective I couldn't complete. There's plenty I simply choose not to complete, because they're not worth it to me, or because I don't have very much time for the game that day, but they're all doable.

    Remove a unicorn's horn is fine. If you've got any male unicorns on your account, unless you intend to BLUP them and sell their covers, or unless they're very high GP/very rare coat, you're probably not going to be getting more than 10-20 passes for them in the sales. I've had male unicorns sit in the sales at 10 passes for a week. So why not de-horn them for that 10/20 passes?

    Remove a WOY can be useful...I hate WOYs with a passion unless I'm skilling.

    Groom a divine horse...nearly everybody who plays somewhat actively should have at least one divine by now...there's been many, many opportunities to get a completely free divine over the past few years...reindeer, Etrian, the Falabella in the pinata promotion, the anniversary/objective divine...and countless other opportunities to get very affordable/completely luck-based divines. If your account is very very new, or you only log on once in awhile, yeah, maybe you'll have to skip that one. But it's honestly not that hard. I literally only actively play maybe one day a month from last summer onwards and I've never bought a single pass on this account yet I have 16 divines if we count Yggdrasil. Plan ahead, save your passes, save your HOPs, wait for another free divine, or go for a cheaper divine in one of the regular promotions/weekend offers.

    Produce a unicorn is luck based...yeah, that one's annoying, so skip it if you don't breed unicorns regularly/as a part of your normal day to day game play...if you're a unicorn breeder, though, you'll probably be fine. All about how you play your game.

    Anything involve unicorns/donkeys/drafts is simple planning ahead/playing strategically...keep a horse of every species on your account for those feed/groom/bed a pegasus/unicorn/donkey/draft objectives, save your final covers on your donkeys/drafts for objectives/only breed them when you have objectives.

    Win a rosette is annoying, too, but it's completely doable. Lots of very affordable rosette level skillers (or foals to be skilled) in the sales if it's worth the investment/time to you. Lots of times they can be flipped anyway. If your own competitions have rosettes, you can simply rig them/enter your own horses. It slightly trashes your prestige but it's easily recoverable/worth it. If you have a highly skilled divine like a water divine you should always be able to do it. If you keep current skillers on your account, either as a part of team/personal breeding project, or to boost your own EC's prestige/mission price and to run in your own competitions, you should always be able to do it.

    Colored tack/colored bonuses/use a certain BMI...can be annoying, sure, but again, completely doable...plan ahead, hoard your colored tack/BMI, and take advantage of any tricks...like activate the color bonus can be done by simply switching the specialty of a horse that already has it, use a customization item can be done by simply changing the name/background of a horse that already has a Lyre/unlimited Ray, etc.

    Sometimes you have to make the decision to sacrifice a mere 10/20 passes and your streak so you don't spend more passes than you're getting if you weren't prepared for the objective or because you simply don't feel like spending that much time/effort on the objectives today...that's perfectly fine, too...it's just 10/20 passes...you can make those passes back in a myriad of other ways.

    The only objectives I ever really skip are the ones where I'll literally make more money by simply selling the horse (Pegasus/WOY) or the ones where I don't have enough time/don't feel like it that day (something ridiculous like stroke 40 horses or use 12 aging points or anything like that on a day where I just came on to check my messages and maybe do a few things). Everything else is very doable if you plan ahead.
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  • ^^ Also if it comes down to spending Equus like to purchase a donkey/draft or skipping an objective, keep it mind that it's usually way easier to earn that Equus back...50,000 Equus on a donkey/draft with covers left is basically a round of saddles in your workshops...you'll have that money back in 12 hours.
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  • 2020-10-30
    Retired breeder
    Shishi no Seirei wrote:

    Oh, the objective was removed. Yay!

    I remember back in the days when people tested the new pass-system on test-server (me included) a lot of people pointed out that objectives that required you to remove items that are bought for passes shouldn`t be objectives at all (mostly because this system was made so even those who don`t have a lot of time for Howrse/new players/ and so on could get passes),it really doesn't make sense to get a Medusas Blood,put it on the horse and then remove it. Even if you have 50 of those things, those items are valuable and could be used in better ways than being destroyed. And yet here we are....

    Ah well, better late than never XD
    I miss the old pass-mining sprees. It was the highlight of the month. If this system was just an alternative way to get passes then it would be fine but... it replaced the old one, and I don`t believe for a second it was made to make it "easier for people".

    New players and everyone else was ripped off. Period.


    Welp, they say, "Power corrupts!" , for a reason...

    You know, I wouldn't so much mind the fragment system for divines *IF* there was a general fragment for any divine, and every event you could get some fragments to save and spend on a divine of your choice...of course the fragments needed to unkock divines could be raised, but at least you could have multiple chances for a divine, instead of one chance and then there's never that divine again.
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